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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://honeyandlance.com/when-do-you-have-the-talk/comment-page-1#comment-19918</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 19:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could relate to so much of what you posted.

My mother came down with multiple sclerosis when I was about 11.   My parents were also mismatched so they fought hard and nasty all of the time.

In high school I watched my mothers health deteriorate and my older sister change from the pressures of taking care of us.

When I got to college I didn&#039;t complain about the quality of the dorms.  I was just happy to be someplace without vitriolic fighting</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could relate to so much of what you posted.</p>
<p>My mother came down with multiple sclerosis when I was about 11.   My parents were also mismatched so they fought hard and nasty all of the time.</p>
<p>In high school I watched my mothers health deteriorate and my older sister change from the pressures of taking care of us.</p>
<p>When I got to college I didn&#8217;t complain about the quality of the dorms.  I was just happy to be someplace without vitriolic fighting</p>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
		<link>http://honeyandlance.com/when-do-you-have-the-talk/comment-page-1#comment-18780</link>
		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 22:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ouch, this is some heavy shit here. I&#039;m going to have to come back to this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch, this is some heavy shit here. I&#8217;m going to have to come back to this.</p>
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		<title>By: Janak</title>
		<link>http://honeyandlance.com/when-do-you-have-the-talk/comment-page-1#comment-17834</link>
		<dc:creator>Janak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Honey Yes, but only due to my self-esteem issues at the time. If I recall correctly, I never even wanted to pursue the relationship, but I rolled over in bed 5 years later, and there she was.

Kind of a *shake fist at sky* *vow never to make that mistake again* *lightning, thunder, radioactive spider bite* deal.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Honey Yes, but only due to my self-esteem issues at the time. If I recall correctly, I never even wanted to pursue the relationship, but I rolled over in bed 5 years later, and there she was.</p>
<p>Kind of a *shake fist at sky* *vow never to make that mistake again* *lightning, thunder, radioactive spider bite* deal.</p>
<p><abbr><em></em><em>Janak&#180;s last blog post&#8230;<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/casualencounters/SkqR/~3/SQtYouWkFhk/" rel="nofollow">Paid adult dating site review &#8211; ALT.com</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Honey</title>
		<link>http://honeyandlance.com/when-do-you-have-the-talk/comment-page-1#comment-17807</link>
		<dc:creator>Honey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lisaq, I think who you are today is pretty awesome, too!

@C, I&#039;ve been surprised by how supportive people have been, too.  And I get you about the blog - I run some things by the BF before posting, even now.

@Simon, thanks!  But I have to wonder - why do you feel like you&#039;d need to &quot;take care of&quot; a girlfriend?  The trick is to find someone as strong as you are and then take care of each other.  One of the hardest lessons I learned as a result of my experience was not to pick people whose lives were disasters.  I can slip into managing other people&#039;s lives almost without noticing, it&#039;s so automatic - so I picked a lot of downward spirals in college.

@Holly, I hear ya, sister.  And thanks for the compliment :-)

@dadshouse, yes there are plenty of other things I used to share that no longer feel particularly relevant.  The fact that my first college boyfriend was a huge douche, for example!  It comes up eventually but doesn&#039;t really matter as far as how I interact with people now.

@DD - thanks.  I think it is tough for people who have gone through things like I have to think of themselves as strong or compassionate, because you certainly don&#039;t feel that way inside a lot of the time.  And I&#039;ve been on the other side of &quot;the talk,&quot; too - and I should blog about it sometime because I definitely let my own empathy for his situation cloud my judgment of his character in other regards.  Weird!

@evilwoobie, aromatic herbs sound all right to me!

@Janak - has anyone ever lasted longer?

@PT-LawMom, protecting your heart is wise - and, as you say, you will find it is all unnecessary when you finally find someone strong enough to be with you.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;em&gt;Honey&#180;s last blog post...&lt;a href=&quot;http://honeyandlance.com/when-do-you-have-the-talk&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;When Do You Have “The Talk”?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lisaq, I think who you are today is pretty awesome, too!</p>
<p>@C, I&#8217;ve been surprised by how supportive people have been, too.  And I get you about the blog &#8211; I run some things by the BF before posting, even now.</p>
<p>@Simon, thanks!  But I have to wonder &#8211; why do you feel like you&#8217;d need to &#8220;take care of&#8221; a girlfriend?  The trick is to find someone as strong as you are and then take care of each other.  One of the hardest lessons I learned as a result of my experience was not to pick people whose lives were disasters.  I can slip into managing other people&#8217;s lives almost without noticing, it&#8217;s so automatic &#8211; so I picked a lot of downward spirals in college.</p>
<p>@Holly, I hear ya, sister.  And thanks for the compliment <img src='http://honeyandlance.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@dadshouse, yes there are plenty of other things I used to share that no longer feel particularly relevant.  The fact that my first college boyfriend was a huge douche, for example!  It comes up eventually but doesn&#8217;t really matter as far as how I interact with people now.</p>
<p>@DD &#8211; thanks.  I think it is tough for people who have gone through things like I have to think of themselves as strong or compassionate, because you certainly don&#8217;t feel that way inside a lot of the time.  And I&#8217;ve been on the other side of &#8220;the talk,&#8221; too &#8211; and I should blog about it sometime because I definitely let my own empathy for his situation cloud my judgment of his character in other regards.  Weird!</p>
<p>@evilwoobie, aromatic herbs sound all right to me!</p>
<p>@Janak &#8211; has anyone ever lasted longer?</p>
<p>@PT-LawMom, protecting your heart is wise &#8211; and, as you say, you will find it is all unnecessary when you finally find someone strong enough to be with you.</p>
<p><abbr><em></em><em>Honey&#180;s last blog post&#8230;<a href="http://honeyandlance.com/when-do-you-have-the-talk" rel="nofollow">When Do You Have “The Talk”?</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: PT-LawMom</title>
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		<dc:creator>PT-LawMom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do it at the point where I know that my heart will break if I stay in the relationship any longer and it goes south if I break the news later.  So for me that usually means early on to protect my heart.  Not sure if that&#039;s the best plan, but it helps me know he&#039;s in it for real.  I  probably cannot have more biological children either due to medical issues.  That is definitely a problem for some men.  But the RIGHT man will love me (and yours you) regardless.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;em&gt;PT-LawMom&#180;s last blog post...&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Pt-lawmom/~3/azSglDHPBig/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;36 Days In and the Ultimate Walk of Shame&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do it at the point where I know that my heart will break if I stay in the relationship any longer and it goes south if I break the news later.  So for me that usually means early on to protect my heart.  Not sure if that&#8217;s the best plan, but it helps me know he&#8217;s in it for real.  I  probably cannot have more biological children either due to medical issues.  That is definitely a problem for some men.  But the RIGHT man will love me (and yours you) regardless.</p>
<p><abbr><em></em><em>PT-LawMom&#180;s last blog post&#8230;<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Pt-lawmom/~3/azSglDHPBig/" rel="nofollow">36 Days In and the Ultimate Walk of Shame</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Steve Errey - The Confidence Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Errey - The Confidence Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having had a safe and &#039;conventional&#039; upbringing I can&#039;t imagine what it&#039;s like to have all that responsibility at such a young age.

It&#039;s obviously worked wonders for you in more ways than I can count, and a guy who puts your &quot;50% chance of something happening in the future&quot; thing ahead of who you are right now is missing the point.

Keep doing what you&#039;re doing.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;em&gt;Steve Errey - The Confidence Guy&#180;s last blog post...&lt;a href=&quot;http://theconfidenceguyonline.com/2009/04/dating-confidence-work/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dating Without Confidence Will Never Work&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having had a safe and &#8216;conventional&#8217; upbringing I can&#8217;t imagine what it&#8217;s like to have all that responsibility at such a young age.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s obviously worked wonders for you in more ways than I can count, and a guy who puts your &#8220;50% chance of something happening in the future&#8221; thing ahead of who you are right now is missing the point.</p>
<p>Keep doing what you&#8217;re doing.</p>
<p><abbr><em></em><em>Steve Errey &#8211; The Confidence Guy&#180;s last blog post&#8230;<a href="http://theconfidenceguyonline.com/2009/04/dating-confidence-work/" rel="nofollow">Dating Without Confidence Will Never Work</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Janak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 02:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice call to action.

Mine is that I will get bored of you and leave within two years.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice call to action.</p>
<p>Mine is that I will get bored of you and leave within two years.</p>
<p><abbr><em></em><em>Janak&#180;s last blog post&#8230;<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/casualencounters/SkqR/~3/SQtYouWkFhk/" rel="nofollow">Paid adult dating site review &#8211; ALT.com</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: evilwoobie</title>
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		<dc:creator>evilwoobie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 02:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Honey, thanks for making me start my day right by reading this post. I think your independence is awesome and your dedication to your mother even more. 

Here&#039;s my &quot;talk&quot; 

&quot;I&#039;m considered weird by some people, even by friends. First, I prevent them from doing things because of a dream I had the other night. If you can deal with having a pagan altar in our house, and the smell of aromatic herbs daily, we can live together.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Honey, thanks for making me start my day right by reading this post. I think your independence is awesome and your dedication to your mother even more. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my &#8220;talk&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m considered weird by some people, even by friends. First, I prevent them from doing things because of a dream I had the other night. If you can deal with having a pagan altar in our house, and the smell of aromatic herbs daily, we can live together.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: The Dateable Dork</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Dateable Dork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 00:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honey - This is a really touching and powerful post.  I&#039;m extremely impressed that you handled so much as a child/teenager - I really can&#039;t imagine going through that myself.  I admire you.

On the topic of having &quot;the talk,&quot; clearly the BF is (a) an upstanding guy, and (b) absolutely crazy about you, because it takes both of those qualities and more to fully embrace someone for everything that they are.  Both my sister-in-law and a good friend have MS, and they both say that &quot;breaking the news&quot; to their husbands (then-boyfriends, one of which is my brother) wasn&#039;t nearly as bad as they feared because both guys were already crazy about them and accepted them completely and enthusiastically.  I think if you find the right person, having &quot;the talk&quot; can be a very liberating experience and one which bonds the couple even more than they were already.

Fortunately, I don&#039;t have any serious news to break to potential boyfriends, but, like everyone, I have personal information that I don&#039;t just lay out on the table on date #1.  Sometimes it goes over relatively well, but sometimes the guy flips out and never wants to see me again (which is what happened last fall when I shut down the blog after he stumbled upon it).  If I feel comfortable with the guy and think he can handle it, I tell him.  Sadly, most guys don&#039;t fit this criteria!

I&#039;ve also been on the other side of the table when I guy I had been dating for about a month had his &quot;talk&quot; with me, and although the news came as quite an uncomfortable surprise, I definitely think that it made us a lot closer, and we wound up dating for another six months or so, breaking up for a completely unrelated reason.

Sorry for such a long-winded comment, but this is such an interesting topic.  Thanks for writing about it and being so honest with us.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;em&gt;The Dateable Dork&#180;s last blog post...&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thedateabledork.com/2009/04/my-craigslist-missed-connection-the-subway-adonis/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;My Craigslist missed connection: the Subway Adonis&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honey &#8211; This is a really touching and powerful post.  I&#8217;m extremely impressed that you handled so much as a child/teenager &#8211; I really can&#8217;t imagine going through that myself.  I admire you.</p>
<p>On the topic of having &#8220;the talk,&#8221; clearly the BF is (a) an upstanding guy, and (b) absolutely crazy about you, because it takes both of those qualities and more to fully embrace someone for everything that they are.  Both my sister-in-law and a good friend have MS, and they both say that &#8220;breaking the news&#8221; to their husbands (then-boyfriends, one of which is my brother) wasn&#8217;t nearly as bad as they feared because both guys were already crazy about them and accepted them completely and enthusiastically.  I think if you find the right person, having &#8220;the talk&#8221; can be a very liberating experience and one which bonds the couple even more than they were already.</p>
<p>Fortunately, I don&#8217;t have any serious news to break to potential boyfriends, but, like everyone, I have personal information that I don&#8217;t just lay out on the table on date #1.  Sometimes it goes over relatively well, but sometimes the guy flips out and never wants to see me again (which is what happened last fall when I shut down the blog after he stumbled upon it).  If I feel comfortable with the guy and think he can handle it, I tell him.  Sadly, most guys don&#8217;t fit this criteria!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also been on the other side of the table when I guy I had been dating for about a month had his &#8220;talk&#8221; with me, and although the news came as quite an uncomfortable surprise, I definitely think that it made us a lot closer, and we wound up dating for another six months or so, breaking up for a completely unrelated reason.</p>
<p>Sorry for such a long-winded comment, but this is such an interesting topic.  Thanks for writing about it and being so honest with us.</p>
<p><abbr><em></em><em>The Dateable Dork&#180;s last blog post&#8230;<a href="http://www.thedateabledork.com/2009/04/my-craigslist-missed-connection-the-subway-adonis/" rel="nofollow">My Craigslist missed connection: the Subway Adonis</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: dadshouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>dadshouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, shame on the college boyfriend. And good for your friends who will be there for you!

I used to have &quot;the talk&quot; about a few things in my life with women I started dating. I no longer do that. Anything I&#039;d say has more to do with past issues than the future, so I just keep quiet. 

I think &quot;the talk&quot; can be hard for some to handle, especially when there&#039;s serious issues involved. Maybe it&#039;s best saved for when two people are very close. But every situation is unique! So giving blanket advice does no good.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;em&gt;dadshouse&#180;s last blog post...&lt;a href=&quot;http://dadshouseblog.com/2009/04/28/single-father-love-children/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Do Divorced Dads Need to Have More Kids to Find Love?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, shame on the college boyfriend. And good for your friends who will be there for you!</p>
<p>I used to have &#8220;the talk&#8221; about a few things in my life with women I started dating. I no longer do that. Anything I&#8217;d say has more to do with past issues than the future, so I just keep quiet. </p>
<p>I think &#8220;the talk&#8221; can be hard for some to handle, especially when there&#8217;s serious issues involved. Maybe it&#8217;s best saved for when two people are very close. But every situation is unique! So giving blanket advice does no good.</p>
<p><abbr><em></em><em>dadshouse&#180;s last blog post&#8230;<a href="http://dadshouseblog.com/2009/04/28/single-father-love-children/" rel="nofollow">Do Divorced Dads Need to Have More Kids to Find Love?</a></em></abbr></p>
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