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		<title>By: Lance</title>
		<link>http://honeyandlance.com/honeys-take-the-number-close-isnt-as-easy-as-you-think#comment-706</link>
		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 22:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ladies ladies &lt;i&gt;ladies&lt;/i&gt;. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I feel the safety issue, and I'll be the first to admit that there are plenty of psycho douchebag guys out there. Avoid them like the plague. If I were a chick, I'd probably not give my number out very often, unless I met me of course ;)

Besides that, if you're single, I say have fun and find ways to connect with people on a deep level. Give value. At some point during that communication, people are going to have to exchange digits or whatever. If no one exchanged numbers, no one would be dating or getting laid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ladies ladies <i>ladies</i>. We&#8217;ll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I feel the safety issue, and I&#8217;ll be the first to admit that there are plenty of psycho douchebag guys out there. Avoid them like the plague. If I were a chick, I&#8217;d probably not give my number out very often, unless I met me of course <img src='http://honeyandlance.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Besides that, if you&#8217;re single, I say have fun and find ways to connect with people on a deep level. Give value. At some point during that communication, people are going to have to exchange digits or whatever. If no one exchanged numbers, no one would be dating or getting laid.</p>
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		<title>By: athena</title>
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		<dc:creator>athena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 20:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nope, my number is NOT "earnable".  honey is totally right- i've had too many stalkers to give out my number like that.  and no, you CANT tell if a guy is going to get crazy on you in the first night, or even the second. they dont have any warning signs, either.  some are shy, some are funny, some are so charming - you just never know. 

after you have had to deal with over a hundred calls a day, or get a restraining order, or call the cops to get some freak to leave your work - yeah, you arent giving your number, primary email, last name, work OR home address out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nope, my number is NOT &#8220;earnable&#8221;.  honey is totally right- i&#8217;ve had too many stalkers to give out my number like that.  and no, you CANT tell if a guy is going to get crazy on you in the first night, or even the second. they dont have any warning signs, either.  some are shy, some are funny, some are so charming - you just never know. </p>
<p>after you have had to deal with over a hundred calls a day, or get a restraining order, or call the cops to get some freak to leave your work - yeah, you arent giving your number, primary email, last name, work OR home address out.</p>
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		<title>By: Honey</title>
		<link>http://honeyandlance.com/honeys-take-the-number-close-isnt-as-easy-as-you-think#comment-703</link>
		<dc:creator>Honey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 08:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't give a crap if some guy thinks he's been charming enough to "earn" my number.  It is not "earnable."  It is a safety issue...easy enough to hit delete on my backup e-mail account that's not even tied to my real name, but there are men out there who are DANGEROUS, and just because you're not an asshole doesn't mean that someone else wouldn't assault and/or harass me if he had the chance.  Most sociopaths are very charming.

I met the BF on myspace, and actually refused to give him my phone number OR add him as a friend until I'd met him in person at a well-lit venue walking distance from my house.

Honeys last blog post..&lt;a href="http://honeyandlance.com/honeys-take-the-number-close-isnt-as-easy-as-you-think" rel="nofollow"&gt;Honey’s Take: The Number-Close Isn’t As Easy As You Think&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t give a crap if some guy thinks he&#8217;s been charming enough to &#8220;earn&#8221; my number.  It is not &#8220;earnable.&#8221;  It is a safety issue&#8230;easy enough to hit delete on my backup e-mail account that&#8217;s not even tied to my real name, but there are men out there who are DANGEROUS, and just because you&#8217;re not an asshole doesn&#8217;t mean that someone else wouldn&#8217;t assault and/or harass me if he had the chance.  Most sociopaths are very charming.</p>
<p>I met the BF on myspace, and actually refused to give him my phone number OR add him as a friend until I&#8217;d met him in person at a well-lit venue walking distance from my house.</p>
<p>Honeys last blog post..<a href="http://honeyandlance.com/honeys-take-the-number-close-isnt-as-easy-as-you-think">Honey’s Take: The Number-Close Isn’t As Easy As You Think</a></p>
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		<title>By: Me Thinks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Me Thinks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 06:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I have given out my number and will likely continue to do so - but very rarely! I am pretty cautious - have given it out before when I've been boozing with friends and been sorry when the dude won't give up (yes, I remember you and no, I'm really not interested, I was just drunk and being nice).

But I have to say one of my best FRIENDships came out of giving my number to a guy. We chatted and clicked but I had started dating someone, it wasn't exclusive but I wanted to give it some time so I initially refused. The guy and I talked for a long time, finally he "gave me" his number by calling mine from his (this is game I've had run on me more than once, I know what it is but if the dude is cool I will agree). Anyway, it was all hot texts, etc for a while, then phone calls and then we started e-mailing and a year plus later we are just really good friends with a lot of stuff in common. 

Anyway, I'd give out my number but only to someone I really clicked with after a long conversation or knew through a friend. I've had enough stalkers that I am reserved but sometimes you have to take a little risk (hell, its just a phone number! you can always tell them to go "get stuffed" as my Canadian friend says).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I have given out my number and will likely continue to do so - but very rarely! I am pretty cautious - have given it out before when I&#8217;ve been boozing with friends and been sorry when the dude won&#8217;t give up (yes, I remember you and no, I&#8217;m really not interested, I was just drunk and being nice).</p>
<p>But I have to say one of my best FRIENDships came out of giving my number to a guy. We chatted and clicked but I had started dating someone, it wasn&#8217;t exclusive but I wanted to give it some time so I initially refused. The guy and I talked for a long time, finally he &#8220;gave me&#8221; his number by calling mine from his (this is game I&#8217;ve had run on me more than once, I know what it is but if the dude is cool I will agree). Anyway, it was all hot texts, etc for a while, then phone calls and then we started e-mailing and a year plus later we are just really good friends with a lot of stuff in common. </p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;d give out my number but only to someone I really clicked with after a long conversation or knew through a friend. I&#8217;ve had enough stalkers that I am reserved but sometimes you have to take a little risk (hell, its just a phone number! you can always tell them to go &#8220;get stuffed&#8221; as my Canadian friend says).</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 22:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the pity number give-away? Obviously, you must live in the hell that is NYC for women. A friend of mine -- a musician -- introduced me to a friend of his -- a songwriter who I mistook for homeless -- and I was being polite but I'm also a musician so I don't want to create bad blood with a fellow musician. But there's a difference between male and female musicians. First of all, the women tend to attract the freaks no matter how attractive they are. Even the weirdest male musicians can attract hot women. 

Anyhow, I was being nice and of course when he called I didn't call back. Hell, it wasn't even a "want to go out" call. That would be doubly difficult for this dude because if you saw him, you'd probably give him money. I saw him a few weeks ago and I have to say he reminded me of a biblical character. He has a beard nearly to his waist and long crazy curly hair. It's a scary sight. I'm tempted to give him some advice about the freaky appearance. If he's getting laid, I'll be shocked because I keep thinkin Unabomber whenever I see him. I feel bad about being so shallow but he's freaky looking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the pity number give-away? Obviously, you must live in the hell that is NYC for women. A friend of mine &#8212; a musician &#8212; introduced me to a friend of his &#8212; a songwriter who I mistook for homeless &#8212; and I was being polite but I&#8217;m also a musician so I don&#8217;t want to create bad blood with a fellow musician. But there&#8217;s a difference between male and female musicians. First of all, the women tend to attract the freaks no matter how attractive they are. Even the weirdest male musicians can attract hot women. </p>
<p>Anyhow, I was being nice and of course when he called I didn&#8217;t call back. Hell, it wasn&#8217;t even a &#8220;want to go out&#8221; call. That would be doubly difficult for this dude because if you saw him, you&#8217;d probably give him money. I saw him a few weeks ago and I have to say he reminded me of a biblical character. He has a beard nearly to his waist and long crazy curly hair. It&#8217;s a scary sight. I&#8217;m tempted to give him some advice about the freaky appearance. If he&#8217;s getting laid, I&#8217;ll be shocked because I keep thinkin Unabomber whenever I see him. I feel bad about being so shallow but he&#8217;s freaky looking.</p>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 00:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honey, some great advice here. I have to strongly disagree with you on your advice to women about not giving out numbers though. 

Here's the way I see it. If you're a gal getting hit on by a dude, it's your job to screen him and test him for douchebaggery. Ask questions and shit test. If he has lousy game or he's a douche, don't give the number. Simply excuse yourself ("I'm gonna go dance now, peace out"). If he's a great guy and has great game, exchange numbers with him, because he's earned it. That's the reward of the game. 

As a guy, it's my job to prove that I'm worthy of an info exchange. That means I have to generate attraction, build trust &#038; credibility, frame the interaction sexually, and oh yeah also have fun. That's a lot, but if I can pull it off then I've earned the digits. BTW, just because I've got skillz doesn't mean I'm secretly an asshole, which is what playerz get accused of. It simply means I've developed my social skills. It means I decided to get good with women. And that's a good thing. 

David DeAngelo recommends exchanging emails and I tried that for a bit but had zero luck. I always calibrate to the individual about whether she'll respond to phone calls, texts, or myspace. Generally, younger (around college) women are very amenable to becoming your myspace friend. If you can get the myspace, you can run myspace game. For that age group, it's practically replaced email. Women around my age are happy to exchange digits, and I always try to make a strong enough impression so that she's compelled to ask me to &lt;i&gt;take&lt;/i&gt; her number. I NEVER call immediately after getting a number because she never picks up. Basic screening. But if you flirt over text and you get a flirty response, then make the call and set up the date.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honey, some great advice here. I have to strongly disagree with you on your advice to women about not giving out numbers though. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the way I see it. If you&#8217;re a gal getting hit on by a dude, it&#8217;s your job to screen him and test him for douchebaggery. Ask questions and shit test. If he has lousy game or he&#8217;s a douche, don&#8217;t give the number. Simply excuse yourself (&#8221;I&#8217;m gonna go dance now, peace out&#8221;). If he&#8217;s a great guy and has great game, exchange numbers with him, because he&#8217;s earned it. That&#8217;s the reward of the game. </p>
<p>As a guy, it&#8217;s my job to prove that I&#8217;m worthy of an info exchange. That means I have to generate attraction, build trust &#038; credibility, frame the interaction sexually, and oh yeah also have fun. That&#8217;s a lot, but if I can pull it off then I&#8217;ve earned the digits. BTW, just because I&#8217;ve got skillz doesn&#8217;t mean I&#8217;m secretly an asshole, which is what playerz get accused of. It simply means I&#8217;ve developed my social skills. It means I decided to get good with women. And that&#8217;s a good thing. </p>
<p>David DeAngelo recommends exchanging emails and I tried that for a bit but had zero luck. I always calibrate to the individual about whether she&#8217;ll respond to phone calls, texts, or myspace. Generally, younger (around college) women are very amenable to becoming your myspace friend. If you can get the myspace, you can run myspace game. For that age group, it&#8217;s practically replaced email. Women around my age are happy to exchange digits, and I always try to make a strong enough impression so that she&#8217;s compelled to ask me to <i>take</i> her number. I NEVER call immediately after getting a number because she never picks up. Basic screening. But if you flirt over text and you get a flirty response, then make the call and set up the date.</p>
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		<title>By: The Virgin</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Virgin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 23:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you're *REALLY* interested in someone, you ARE going to give them your number. (If Johnny Depp or your favorite hunk wanted your number, would you decline then? ;) ) Unfortunately, lots of guys don't understand the above and beat themselves up needlessly for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re *REALLY* interested in someone, you ARE going to give them your number. (If Johnny Depp or your favorite hunk wanted your number, would you decline then? <img src='http://honeyandlance.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> ) Unfortunately, lots of guys don&#8217;t understand the above and beat themselves up needlessly for it.</p>
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		<title>By: dadshouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>dadshouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 16:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honey - you're right, your BF at the club with the psycho ex should have controlled his surroundings better. If he had stalked the girl who gave him her number, he could have timed his phone call to her house when her dad wasn't home!

(just kidding, of course. Have a great weekend!)

dadshouses last blog post..&lt;a href="http://dadshouseblog.com/2008/05/15/im-a-mother/" rel="nofollow"&gt;I’m a Mother!&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honey - you&#8217;re right, your BF at the club with the psycho ex should have controlled his surroundings better. If he had stalked the girl who gave him her number, he could have timed his phone call to her house when her dad wasn&#8217;t home!</p>
<p>(just kidding, of course. Have a great weekend!)</p>
<p>dadshouses last blog post..<a href="http://dadshouseblog.com/2008/05/15/im-a-mother/">I’m a Mother!</a></p>
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		<title>By: lisaq</title>
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		<dc:creator>lisaq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 11:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree Honey. I never give out my number (sorry Lance!). Too many bad experiences. The number is reserved for men I have interacted with on a regular basis and who, I think, may actually have some potential. I like the idea of giving out the email address. Might have to try that and see how it goes.

One other thing worth noting about giving out your number in a club is that there is alcohol involved. I might like you if I have enough beers in me, but sober I might not. Let's face it, alcohol changes perceptions. Beer goggles do not help with the screening process. When I take them off, I could very well realize that you're not someone I would ever consider going out with in another situation.

lisaqs last blog post..&lt;a href="http://40ssingleness.blogspot.com/2008/05/long-and-winding-road.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;The Long and Winding Road&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree Honey. I never give out my number (sorry Lance!). Too many bad experiences. The number is reserved for men I have interacted with on a regular basis and who, I think, may actually have some potential. I like the idea of giving out the email address. Might have to try that and see how it goes.</p>
<p>One other thing worth noting about giving out your number in a club is that there is alcohol involved. I might like you if I have enough beers in me, but sober I might not. Let&#8217;s face it, alcohol changes perceptions. Beer goggles do not help with the screening process. When I take them off, I could very well realize that you&#8217;re not someone I would ever consider going out with in another situation.</p>
<p>lisaqs last blog post..<a href="http://40ssingleness.blogspot.com/2008/05/long-and-winding-road.html">The Long and Winding Road</a></p>
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