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		<title>By: BigLittleWolf</title>
		<link>http://honeyandlance.com/creative-strategies-for-getting-your-gfbf-to-change/comment-page-1#comment-30955</link>
		<dc:creator>BigLittleWolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s compromise, and there&#039;s the notion that you can &lt;i&gt;change&lt;/i&gt; someone.

Compromise is working out who may do what so the household runs more smoothly. Compromise may be how often you make love, or what time of day / night, because of a work schedule. Compromise may be using less salt because you have high blood pressure, and your partner is worried about you - even though your food tastes like crap without the salt!

Changing your so-called loved one? That&#039;s either direct or indirect methods of encouraging them to give away parts of themselves that &lt;i&gt;matter&lt;/i&gt; to them. Or, for example, if I love tennis but loathe baseball, and my man wants me to watch baseball, listen to him ramble about RBI and even go to games with him - it ain&#039;t happening.

If I love modern art museums and he&#039;s bored silly going to them, I&#039;m not going to force him.

Those are easy examples. I&#039;d wreck his time at the ballgame (resentful of time I could spend on things I care about); he&#039;d wreck my good time at the museum.

Harder examples? Let&#039;s say he loves weekends with his buddies doing &quot;guy stuff&quot; - fishing or golfing. Is it right for me to insist he give up his 4 weekends a year he&#039;s always gone away with those same friends? That&#039;s a change I&#039;d never request. Doesn&#039;t seem right to me.

I spend hours of each day researching and writing. If he asked me to write less, or spend less time at the bookstore reading, that would hit me where I live. 

In all this - there would have to be some overlap of interests, plenty of shared values, and lots of laughter and chemistry. I&#039;ve dated (and loved) a wide range of types, with varied interests. When it works - it&#039;s because the fundamentals are not pushed for change. When it doesn&#039;t work, it&#039;s because who we are at the core doesn&#039;t mesh, and he expects me to become someone I&#039;m not - and don&#039;t want to be.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s compromise, and there&#8217;s the notion that you can <i>change</i> someone.</p>
<p>Compromise is working out who may do what so the household runs more smoothly. Compromise may be how often you make love, or what time of day / night, because of a work schedule. Compromise may be using less salt because you have high blood pressure, and your partner is worried about you &#8211; even though your food tastes like crap without the salt!</p>
<p>Changing your so-called loved one? That&#8217;s either direct or indirect methods of encouraging them to give away parts of themselves that <i>matter</i> to them. Or, for example, if I love tennis but loathe baseball, and my man wants me to watch baseball, listen to him ramble about RBI and even go to games with him &#8211; it ain&#8217;t happening.</p>
<p>If I love modern art museums and he&#8217;s bored silly going to them, I&#8217;m not going to force him.</p>
<p>Those are easy examples. I&#8217;d wreck his time at the ballgame (resentful of time I could spend on things I care about); he&#8217;d wreck my good time at the museum.</p>
<p>Harder examples? Let&#8217;s say he loves weekends with his buddies doing &#8220;guy stuff&#8221; &#8211; fishing or golfing. Is it right for me to insist he give up his 4 weekends a year he&#8217;s always gone away with those same friends? That&#8217;s a change I&#8217;d never request. Doesn&#8217;t seem right to me.</p>
<p>I spend hours of each day researching and writing. If he asked me to write less, or spend less time at the bookstore reading, that would hit me where I live. </p>
<p>In all this &#8211; there would have to be some overlap of interests, plenty of shared values, and lots of laughter and chemistry. I&#8217;ve dated (and loved) a wide range of types, with varied interests. When it works &#8211; it&#8217;s because the fundamentals are not pushed for change. When it doesn&#8217;t work, it&#8217;s because who we are at the core doesn&#8217;t mesh, and he expects me to become someone I&#8217;m not &#8211; and don&#8217;t want to be.<br />
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 18:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to keep from going insane, I&#039;d say I need something in the 80/20 range or better or else I&#039;m always fixing stuff. 

If you&#039;ll recall from Dee Ann&#039;s letter to EMK, she didn&#039;t flat-out say that the guy had a major character issue that had to be changed...we all assumed it was because he flaked out. But, it&#039;s possible he flaked out for more-or-less legit reasons and I think it&#039;s an important detail that they only dated for 1 month before the flake-out. Dude, one month is nothing. During that time period I say anything goes. 

On Honey&#039;s point, what if Dee Ann and the dude have a 90%+ compatibility? You could make that conclusion based on how she described their chemistry. That&#039;s super rare and it&#039;s far easier to fix/develop the current relationship versus going back into the wild.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to keep from going insane, I&#8217;d say I need something in the 80/20 range or better or else I&#8217;m always fixing stuff. </p>
<p>If you&#8217;ll recall from Dee Ann&#8217;s letter to EMK, she didn&#8217;t flat-out say that the guy had a major character issue that had to be changed&#8230;we all assumed it was because he flaked out. But, it&#8217;s possible he flaked out for more-or-less legit reasons and I think it&#8217;s an important detail that they only dated for 1 month before the flake-out. Dude, one month is nothing. During that time period I say anything goes. </p>
<p>On Honey&#8217;s point, what if Dee Ann and the dude have a 90%+ compatibility? You could make that conclusion based on how she described their chemistry. That&#8217;s super rare and it&#8217;s far easier to fix/develop the current relationship versus going back into the wild.</p>
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		<title>By: Honey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Honey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with this.  What do you think is the % of things about the other person that you already like versus what you&#039;d want them to change?  70/30?  80/20?

After what happened this summer, Jake now limits himself to two drinks on a weeknight and calls if he&#039;s going to be home from work later than 8 p.m. (that&#039;s his standard time).
.-= Honey´s last blog ...&lt;a href=&quot;http://honeyandlance.com/howd-you-get-that-hickey-eh&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;How’d You Get That Hickey, Eh?&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with this.  What do you think is the % of things about the other person that you already like versus what you&#8217;d want them to change?  70/30?  80/20?</p>
<p>After what happened this summer, Jake now limits himself to two drinks on a weeknight and calls if he&#8217;s going to be home from work later than 8 p.m. (that&#8217;s his standard time).<br />
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sweeet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sweeet.</p>
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		<title>By: Metal Briefcases</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metal Briefcases</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is nothing wrong to want to change minor things to make each other happy.  There does have to be a limit though.  At some point you are trying to change too much about a person.  It may get to the point that you may wonder why you are with that person if there is so much you want changed.

As for the guy who messed up and stopped called the chick....if he seems genuine now he deserves a second chance but he does need to work at rebuilding trust.  You can&#039;t simply slide back into a relationship and forget bad stuff that has happened unless it is somehow resolved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is nothing wrong to want to change minor things to make each other happy.  There does have to be a limit though.  At some point you are trying to change too much about a person.  It may get to the point that you may wonder why you are with that person if there is so much you want changed.</p>
<p>As for the guy who messed up and stopped called the chick&#8230;.if he seems genuine now he deserves a second chance but he does need to work at rebuilding trust.  You can&#8217;t simply slide back into a relationship and forget bad stuff that has happened unless it is somehow resolved.</p>
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		<title>By: Honey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Honey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know - Jake and I have been together over 3 years, and we still have discussions about things that the other person needs to do/change in order for both of us to be happy.  It&#039;s called compromise, and I don&#039;t see how you can have a relationship without it.  Or can you give more detail about your point?  I&#039;d love to hear it!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know &#8211; Jake and I have been together over 3 years, and we still have discussions about things that the other person needs to do/change in order for both of us to be happy.  It&#8217;s called compromise, and I don&#8217;t see how you can have a relationship without it.  Or can you give more detail about your point?  I&#8217;d love to hear it!<br />
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		<title>By: BigLittleWolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>BigLittleWolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lance, Lance, Lance... &lt;em&gt;dahlilnk!!&lt;/em&gt; All this &quot;testing&quot; and &quot;tweaking&quot; that men and women seem to want to do on, to, at, in the vicinity of each other. 

My friend - I just don&#039;t buy into it. (Thus, I have given you my heroine, &lt;a title=&quot;Lunch Lady&quot; href=&quot;http://dailyplateofcrazy.wordpress.com/2009/08/29/lunch-ladies-unite-we-are-not-all-the-same/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, in the link above associated with my name (and hopefully here). It is my hope that she may convince you of the need for us to unite against such shenanigans - if not with her brazen brawn, then with her wise words!!)

People can and do change - dramatically, and gradually. But they need to &lt;b&gt;choose&lt;/b&gt; to do so, or be changed by events that occur in their lives. We need to look at ourselves and others realistically, take our time, and ascertain if a potential partner might be good for us and visa versa. &lt;i&gt;Or not.&lt;/i&gt;

As for strategies - however creative (and I applaud your creativity) - to test or tweak or transform another to your taste and preferences? I say NO. 

There are plenty of gems (even if unpolished) who will suit us as they are, and oh-so-much-fun, to enjoy the treasure hunt!
.-= BigLittleWolf´s last blog ...&lt;a href=&quot;http://dailyplateofcrazy.wordpress.com/2009/09/22/decision-point-digital-nation-link/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Decision Points: Digital Nation Link&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lance, Lance, Lance&#8230; <em>dahlilnk!!</em> All this &#8220;testing&#8221; and &#8220;tweaking&#8221; that men and women seem to want to do on, to, at, in the vicinity of each other. </p>
<p>My friend &#8211; I just don&#8217;t buy into it. (Thus, I have given you my heroine, <a title="Lunch Lady" href="http://dailyplateofcrazy.wordpress.com/2009/08/29/lunch-ladies-unite-we-are-not-all-the-same/" rel="nofollow"></a>, in the link above associated with my name (and hopefully here). It is my hope that she may convince you of the need for us to unite against such shenanigans &#8211; if not with her brazen brawn, then with her wise words!!)</p>
<p>People can and do change &#8211; dramatically, and gradually. But they need to <b>choose</b> to do so, or be changed by events that occur in their lives. We need to look at ourselves and others realistically, take our time, and ascertain if a potential partner might be good for us and visa versa. <i>Or not.</i></p>
<p>As for strategies &#8211; however creative (and I applaud your creativity) &#8211; to test or tweak or transform another to your taste and preferences? I say NO. </p>
<p>There are plenty of gems (even if unpolished) who will suit us as they are, and oh-so-much-fun, to enjoy the treasure hunt!<br />
<span class="cluv"> BigLittleWolf´s last blog &#8230;<a href="http://dailyplateofcrazy.wordpress.com/2009/09/22/decision-point-digital-nation-link/" rel="nofollow">Decision Points: Digital Nation Link</a> </span></p>
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		<title>By: Honey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Honey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like that Lance changed his mind, Holly.  In addition to being thematically relevant to this post, it makes him damn sexy.

Although, of course, he already is - I had a dream with him in it last night, and in the dream he was naked.

I have some nice memories of that :-)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like that Lance changed his mind, Holly.  In addition to being thematically relevant to this post, it makes him damn sexy.</p>
<p>Although, of course, he already is &#8211; I had a dream with him in it last night, and in the dream he was naked.</p>
<p>I have some nice memories of that <img src='http://honeyandlance.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Holly: I guess I changed my perspective. Voila! Case closed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Holly: I guess I changed my perspective. Voila! Case closed.</p>
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		<title>By: Holly Hoffman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holly Hoffman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do believe that people can change, but the odds that this guy is in the process of undergoing a change at that particular moment are smaller than they are larger. It&#039;s this ability to ignore our gut instincts that get women into situations they should&#039;ve seen coming.

Having said that, I think your test #1 is great. After being seriously jilted last year, I made this the test for ALL men. (Except I wasn&#039;t seeing other people at all... but I digress.) Lots of guys asked me out and I told them I wasn&#039;t dating for another three months, but I wouldn&#039;t mind being friends. ::poof:: They vanished.

Except one. He still wanted to hang out. And was totally cool with keeping it platonic. We live together now, and we have the kind of relationship I only dreamt about.

I would like to point out that when I told DD this on her blog, you poo-pooed my idea. The same one you&#039;re advocating here. ;)
.-= Holly Hoffman´s last blog ...&lt;a href=&quot;http://worklovelife.com/2009/09/recipe-for-confomity-guest-post/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Recipe for Conformity [Guest Post]&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do believe that people can change, but the odds that this guy is in the process of undergoing a change at that particular moment are smaller than they are larger. It&#8217;s this ability to ignore our gut instincts that get women into situations they should&#8217;ve seen coming.</p>
<p>Having said that, I think your test #1 is great. After being seriously jilted last year, I made this the test for ALL men. (Except I wasn&#8217;t seeing other people at all&#8230; but I digress.) Lots of guys asked me out and I told them I wasn&#8217;t dating for another three months, but I wouldn&#8217;t mind being friends. ::poof:: They vanished.</p>
<p>Except one. He still wanted to hang out. And was totally cool with keeping it platonic. We live together now, and we have the kind of relationship I only dreamt about.</p>
<p>I would like to point out that when I told DD this on her blog, you poo-pooed my idea. The same one you&#8217;re advocating here. <img src='http://honeyandlance.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
<span class="cluv"> Holly Hoffman´s last blog &#8230;<a href="http://worklovelife.com/2009/09/recipe-for-confomity-guest-post/" rel="nofollow">Recipe for Conformity [Guest Post]</a> </span></p>
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